[Users] Some questions from new/old claws user

[John Long]

Hi,

Running 3.16.0 on Fedora 28.

I have my message list sorted from oldest to newest (newest on
bottom).

When I delete any email in the list, the last email (newest) gets focus
next. The desired behavior is to focus on the email immediately after
the one I just deleted. It seems like this used to work. Can anyone
help?

Also in the message view Tags: header is always showing. Is there a way
to suppress it?

Thanks,

/jl

[Paul]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 10:52:35 +0000

Post by John Long
When I delete any email in the list, the last email (newest) gets
focus next. The desired behavior is to focus on the email
immediately after the one I just deleted. It seems like this used
to work. Can anyone help?

There's a hidden preference, 'next_on_delete'. Quit claws-mail, open
~/claws-mail/clawsrc, locate the option, change it to 1. (Or use
clawsker.)

Post by John Long
Also in the message view Tags: header is always showing. Is there a
way to suppress it?

No.

with regards

Paul

[John Long]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:01:40 -0000

Post by Paul
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 10:52:35 +0000

Post by John Long
When I delete any email in the list, the last email (newest) gets
focus next. The desired behavior is to focus on the email
immediately after the one I just deleted. It seems like this used
to work. Can anyone help?

There's a hidden preference, 'next_on_delete'. Quit claws-mail, open
~/claws-mail/clawsrc, locate the option, change it to 1. (Or use
clawsker.)

Thanks, this restores the desired behavior.

Post by Paul

Post by John Long
Also in the message view Tags: header is always showing. Is there a
way to suppress it?

No.

Would you consider adding it to prefs? It's really unsightly and I
don't use gmail and also don't typically correspond with people who use
gmail, it's rather a sore thumb in the UI.

Thanks,

/jl

[Andrej Kacian]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 17:34:46 +0000

Post by John Long

Post by John Long
Also in the message view Tags: header is always showing. Is there a
way to suppress it?

No.

Would you consider adding it to prefs? It's really unsightly and I
don't use gmail and also don't typically correspond with people who use
gmail, it's rather a sore thumb in the UI.

This has nothing to do with gmail tags. :)

Still, I only see the Tags: line in messages which actually have some
tags assigned to them. For messages without any tags the line is not
there.

[John Long]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 18:56:53 +0100

Post by Andrej Kacian
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 17:34:46 +0000

Post by John Long

Post by John Long
Also in the message view Tags: header is always showing. Is
there a way to suppress it?

No.

Would you consider adding it to prefs? It's really unsightly and I
don't use gmail and also don't typically correspond with people who
use gmail, it's rather a sore thumb in the UI.

This has nothing to do with gmail tags. :)

Even better! But I still hope for its permanent disappearance :)

Post by Andrej Kacian
Still, I only see the Tags: line in messages which actually have some
tags assigned to them. For messages without any tags the line is not
there.

I see Tags: $an in almost every message or maybe even every message.
Your email shows one. I thought it was coming only from the client.
Maybe I misunderstood and something else is involved.

[Leon Fisk]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 18:08:50 +0000
John Long <***@inbox.lv> wrote:

<snip>

Post by John Long
I see Tags: $an in almost every message or maybe even every message.
Your email shows one. I thought it was coming only from the client.
Maybe I misunderstood and something else is involved.

Maybe you have a bad filter setup? What do you see at
Configuration->Tags... ?

[John Long]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 14:50:35 -0400

Post by Leon Fisk
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 18:08:50 +0000
<snip>

Post by John Long
I see Tags: $an in almost every message or maybe even every message.
Your email shows one. I thought it was coming only from the client.
Maybe I misunderstood and something else is involved.

Maybe you have a bad filter setup? What do you see at
Configuration->Tags... ?

This seems to be per message, correct?

For your message, it shows

$an
$ay
$has cal
$encrypted

and it allows me to delete those from a specific message or add new
tags to it.

I may have not typed those exactly correct, I can't see the popup and
reply at the same time.

Thanks,

/jl

[Paul]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 19:14:06 +0000

Post by John Long
For your message, it shows

If you have not added them yourself then perhaps gmail is adding
them? By default Claws Mail has no tags configured at all.

with regards

Paul

[Paul]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 19:27:54 -0000

Post by Paul
If you have not added them yourself then perhaps gmail is adding
them?

Quite clearly you said you don't use gmail. Then instead of gmail,
the server you use seems to be adding them.

with regards

Paul

[John Long]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 19:33:31 -0000

Post by Paul
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 19:27:54 -0000

Post by Paul
If you have not added them yourself then perhaps gmail is adding
them?

Quite clearly you said you don't use gmail. Then instead of gmail,
the server you use seems to be adding them.

It seems quite unlikely; I've got about a dozen email accounts
configured right now in claws and every message I've checked from every
provider has the $an tag set.

I'm using Fedora 28, could it be a local patch? How can I find the
source of the problem?

Thanks,

/jl

[George Avrunin]

Post by John Long
It seems quite unlikely; I've got about a dozen email accounts
configured right now in claws and every message I've checked from every
provider has the $an tag set.
I'm using Fedora 28, could it be a local patch? How can I find the
source of the problem?
Thanks,
/jl

I don't think it's a Fedora patch. I'm now on Fedora 29, but I don't see
this now and didn't have it with Fedora 28. No "$an" tag of any kind
anywhere.

George

[John Long]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 15:19:07 -0500

Post by George Avrunin

Post by John Long
It seems quite unlikely; I've got about a dozen email accounts
configured right now in claws and every message I've checked from
every provider has the $an tag set.
I'm using Fedora 28, could it be a local patch? How can I find the
source of the problem?
Thanks,
/jl

I don't think it's a Fedora patch. I'm now on Fedora 29, but I don't
see this now and didn't have it with Fedora 28. No "$an" tag of any
kind anywhere.

Thank you.

[George Avrunin]

Maybe try setting up a fresh user and configuring claws-mail from scratch
with one of the accounts that gets the strange tag? (Without touching
any other configuration.) See if that user also gets these funny tags.

George

[Paul]

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:14:45 +0000

Did you find the cause?

The cause is external to claws-mail, unless you are using filtering
or processing to add tags you have configured, or are manually adding
tags to messages.

with regards

Paul

[John Long]

Hi Paul and Brian,

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:40:41 +0000

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:22:57 -0000

Post by Paul
On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:14:45 +0000

Did you find the cause?

The cause is external to claws-mail, unless you are using filtering
or processing to add tags you have configured, or are manually
adding tags to messages.

I am not filtering (have filtering unchecked on all accounts) and of
course am not adding tags intentionally.

Can you see the problem in the raw message text?

I did some Googling and there are references to $an as something to do
with proxy authorization, it shows up as related to openSIPS.
Might be worth looking at this further?
Ralf Mardorf was asking about this on the Claws users list in late
2016, maybe he can help answer why this is appearing.

Thank you, did you find something in the headers? I searched for "tag"
and I didn't see anything in my text editor. I realize something else
may be triggering it and I am unable to find it.

Any pointers to the actual source of the issue in the raw message would
be helpful.

Thanks

/jl

[Brian Morrison]

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:46:03 +0000

Post by John Long
Any pointers to the actual source of the issue in the raw message would
be helpful.

Could be something to do with the spam filtering perhaps? I really
don't know the answer.

[John Long]

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 20:10:43 +0000

Post by Brian Morrison
On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:46:03 +0000

Post by John Long
Any pointers to the actual source of the issue in the raw message
would be helpful.

Could be something to do with the spam filtering perhaps? I really
don't know the answer.

I'm sorry. My question is what in the raw message text that I sent is
the root cause?

/jl

[Brian Morrison]

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:40:41 +0000

Ralf Mardorf was asking about this on the Claws users list in late
2016, maybe he can help answer why this is appearing.

Actually it was Cliff Laine...

[John Long]

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:30:39 -0000

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:30:17 +0000

I believe this is specific to
claws-mail on Fedora.

To reiterate, Claws Mail is not adding these tags. And it has nothing
to do with fedora. It can only be the server you are using.

The tags don't appear in the raw message text. Claws does have Tag
display logic, so it's reasonable that there could be a problem with
that code. It might be something you wouldn't know about if you are not
the maintainer for claws-mail on Fedora, even though you are the main
developer.

Furthermore, it's 12 different email providers using two different
protocols. The common denominator is claws, not anything else.

Of course this is not conclusive, but given these facts it suggests
claws is involved with this issue.

/jl

[Brian Morrison]

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:30:39 -0000

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:30:17 +0000

I believe this is specific to claws-mail on Fedora.

To reiterate, Claws Mail is not adding these tags. And it has nothing
to do with fedora. It can only be the server you are using.

I have only ever used Claws with Fedora, I never see any Tag: headers
displayed unless there is a actual Tag: header.

I use Dovecot and Exim for IMAP and SMTP, I can't see any Tag: header
settings in either.

[Brian Morrison]

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:30:17 +0000

Your message I'm responding to now shows Tags: $an. Most
messages display this way, others say Tags: $encrypted when there is no
gpg or S/MIME.

I think this could be some sort of PHP script leakage, but I have no
idea where exactly that could be injected.

Claws doesn't run random PHP scripts AFAIK.

[Leon Fisk]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 19:14:06 +0000
John Long <***@inbox.lv> wrote:

<snip>

Post by John Long
This seems to be per message, correct?
For your message, it shows
$an
$ay
$has cal
$encrypted
and it allows me to delete those from a specific message or add new
tags to it.
I may have not typed those exactly correct, I can't see the popup and
reply at the same time.

I suspect you may have an amuck filter or folder processing action with
"set_tag" in it that isn't working correctly. Quick and dirty is to try
searching "~/.claws-mail/matcherrc" file for "set_tag". Be very careful
it you try editing that file directly. I don't recommend it. If you
find some entries for that term in there make sure they do what you
want via the normal configuration tools.

Otherwise Paul's answer is probably correct, they're being added
en-route somehow...

[John Long]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 15:47:05 -0400

Post by Paul
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 19:14:06 +0000
<snip>

Post by John Long
This seems to be per message, correct?
For your message, it shows
$an
$ay
$has cal
$encrypted
and it allows me to delete those from a specific message or add new
tags to it.
I may have not typed those exactly correct, I can't see the popup and
reply at the same time.

I suspect you may have an amuck filter or folder processing action
with "set_tag" in it that isn't working correctly. Quick and dirty is
to try searching "~/.claws-mail/matcherrc" file for "set_tag". Be
very careful it you try editing that file directly. I don't recommend
it. If you find some entries for that term in there make sure they do
what you want via the normal configuration tools.

All I've got in there is

[preglobal]

[postglobal]

[filtering]


And I have filtering unchecked on every email account. This is a
brand-new setup with only a few plugins, not including any filtering or
spam goodies.

Post by Paul
Otherwise Paul's answer is probably correct, they're being added
en-route somehow...

I can't find a common denominator except for the distro I'n running!
About a dozen email accounts on as many providers and all messages I've
checked appear the same way!

Thank you,

/jl

[Andrej Kacian]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 20:03:01 +0000

Post by John Long

Post by Leon Fisk
Otherwise Paul's answer is probably correct, they're being added
en-route somehow...

I can't find a common denominator except for the distro I'n running!
About a dozen email accounts on as many providers and all messages I've
checked appear the same way!

You could try enabling filtering log (See Other->Logging in
preferences) and reviewing it after getting some new messages.

Is this in an IMAP mailbox, or in a local (MH) mailbox and messages
being fetched via POP3? If it's IMAP, the tags could be getting added
through server-side filtering (e.g. sieve or procmail rules).

Regards,

[John Long]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 21:48:32 +0100

Post by Andrej Kacian
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 20:03:01 +0000

Post by John Long

Post by Leon Fisk
Otherwise Paul's answer is probably correct, they're being added
en-route somehow...

I can't find a common denominator except for the distro I'n running!
About a dozen email accounts on as many providers and all messages
I've checked appear the same way!

You could try enabling filtering log (See Other->Logging in
preferences) and reviewing it after getting some new messages.

Filtering is disabled on all accounts, so there is no filtering log.

Post by Andrej Kacian
Is this in an IMAP mailbox, or in a local (MH) mailbox and messages
being fetched via POP3? If it's IMAP, the tags could be getting added
through server-side filtering (e.g. sieve or procmail rules).

All of the accounts but one are IMAP. I don't have any email from the
pop account to be able to check. It's used infrequently.

Thanks,

/jl

[Andrej Kacian]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 21:29:07 +0000

Post by John Long

Post by Andrej Kacian
Is this in an IMAP mailbox, or in a local (MH) mailbox and messages
being fetched via POP3? If it's IMAP, the tags could be getting added
through server-side filtering (e.g. sieve or procmail rules).

All of the accounts but one are IMAP. I don't have any email from the
pop account to be able to check. It's used infrequently.

Must be your IMAP server(s) adding those tags, then. Claws Mail by
itself does not apply any tags, unless you have filtering or processing
rules set to do so.

Regards,